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Rose Room / Sir Richard Bishop - furiuos

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:40 pm
by stani
After playing the guitar for several years in fingerpicking style i now stumbled across all that manouche-style and i´m blown by it from time to time.
One record that got me there is "Salvador Kali" from Sir Richard Bishop (on John Faheys Revenant Records).
Well this is not a pure gypsy swing album and nothing for purist, but in some of the DR infected tunes he captures 100% of gypsy ecstacy.
His version of rose room is so furious and fast as lighting but very mysterious too(as most of the record), it just blows you away.
So I highly recommend that.
By the way I was not able to find the chords for "rose room". Who can help?
Anyone who sells a Selmer copy for low?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:52 pm
by Campus Five
In Ab:

-Bb7----Eb7-----Ab---------------Ab7--------------Db
| / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / |
-Dbm------------Ab7-----F7------Bb7--------------Eb7
| / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / |
-Bb7-----Eb7----Ab---------------Ab7--------------Db
| / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / |
-Dbm------------Ab7-----F7------Bb7-----Eb7-----Ab
| / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / |

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:12 pm
by djangology
I have to say that out of all the gypsy tunes that I can play now, the Rose Room melody is the hardest thing I have ever tried except for the note for note Minor Swing solo... its not that I think that it is technically hard... its just melodically hard... there is something about it that is just plain elusive for me to memorize...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:21 am
by justjack
And a version in F:

A: |G7 |C7 |F |F |F7 |F7 |Bb6 |Bb6/9|
B: |Bb6 |Bbm6 |F9 Eb9|D9 |G7 |G7 |C7 |F#7 |
repeat A section
B: |Bb6 |Bbm6 |F9 Eb9|D9 |G7 |C9 |F |F |

It could use some spicing up- a few extra sixths and ninths, and maybe a 7b9, should do it.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:53 pm
by Wallace
OK, Just for fun...and the rhythm players solo 'praps

| G7 Adim Bbdim G7/B | C7 / B7 C7 | F6/C | F6/C | F9 | F13 F9 |

| Bb6 | Bb6 | Bbm6 | Bbm6 | F/A / C7 C#7 | D7 / / D7/Ab |

| G9 Adim | Bbdim G7/B | C7 C#7 | C7 |

| G7 D7/A Bbdim G7/B | C7 B7 C7 / | F6/C | F6/C | F9 | F13 F9 |

| Bb6 | Bb6 | Bbm6 | Bbm6 | F/A / C7 C#7 | D7 C#7 D7 D7/Ab |

| G9 | C13 | F6 | F6 / / Ab7 |

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:07 pm
by Cuimean
Benny Goodman thought "Rose Room" was difficult, too...that's why he called the tune when auditioning Charlie Christian for his band. Christian had shown up at John Hammond's behest and Goodman had no interest in hearing an electric guitar player, so he called the tune in order to stump Christian and make him look like a fool. It didn't work.

Personally, I'm not too into Richard Bishop's version of "Rose Room." It's a very unusual take on it, and I credit him for that, but it seems to be a bit outside the range of his ability. I do like his work with the Sun City Girls, however. Very strange and creative music.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:53 am
by stani
Thank you all for the chords. "Rose room" gives me a hard time to figure out, but it´s nevertheless a great pleasure to play.

Richard Bishop is not a "serious" Jazzmusician and there´s no way of comparing his version of the song to serious (idiomatic) versions in terms of technical or improvisational ability but yet his version is what i´d call "effective", thats what counts in first instance IMO.

Another thing regarding Bishops "salvador Kali". Everytime i give it a listen i can´t stand to think that he used tape-speeding to gain more speed on some of those tracks...But it´s just a dim suspicion.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:25 pm
by woodshedder
kinda the same techniquxor Led Zep used to smooth vocals.